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Auteur : Athanasios D.
Sujet : En effet...
Date : 2007-08-06 13:25:50


Sinon, la seule explication plausible, c'est que l'éventualité envisagée par Paul IV, saint Pie V, etc. n'est pas contraire (en dépit des apparences) aux promesses de Notre-Seigneur et à l'enseignement de l'Eglise. C.Q.F.D.



C'est ce que le sens commun suggère. Mais NM affirme que cela ne se peut si c'est "en dépit des apparences" qui annulent le magistère et déposent les pontifes.

Merci pour votre contribution et bon travail.

Ath


La discussion

 Comparaison du VOM avec le NOM, de John DALY [2007-07-31 22:06:01]
      Intéressant !, de Une Ame [2007-07-31 22:22:30]
          Les textes bibliques..., de John DALY [2007-07-31 22:35:04]
              Il n'y a pas que ça, de Eymerich [2007-08-01 10:02:20]
                  Il y a de cela ?, de sylvquin [2007-08-01 10:43:12]
                      Polémique ?, de Eymerich [2007-08-01 10:59:59]
                          vous avez dit ?, de sylvquin [2007-08-01 11:07:19]
          C'est un excellent exercice, de Semetipsum [2007-07-31 23:00:50]
      Cher John, s'il vous plait, de Maïe [2007-07-31 22:23:39]
          Cher Maïe..., de John DALY [2007-07-31 22:53:52]
              Ne croyez pas cela, l'ami, de Maïe [2007-07-31 23:54:39]
              Question personnelle..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-01 10:33:25]
                  C'est vrai..., de Eymerich [2007-08-01 11:01:26]
                      Certes..., de N.M. [2007-08-01 11:12:12]
                          Hi hi hi, de Eymerich [2007-08-01 11:18:57]
                              Cher ami,, de N.M. [2007-08-01 11:31:20]
                                  Je l'ai, de Eymerich [2007-08-01 11:37:07]
                              Foi, Espérance et raison, de Le souricier [2007-08-01 11:34:46]
                                  Ouille !!, de Eymerich [2007-08-01 11:43:30]
                                      Quelques réponses, de N.M. [2007-08-01 14:47:28]
                                          Une requête., de Eymerich [2007-08-01 16:27:53]
                  Auriez-vous l'amabilité d'aller vous faire..., de John DALY [2007-08-01 12:18:57]
                      Je préfère vous en..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-01 12:49:04]
              Faute de raisonnement, de BK [2007-08-02 09:33:47]
                  Argument spécieux, de Semetipsum [2007-08-02 10:02:25]
                      Un mot de réponse, de BK [2007-08-03 03:41:15]
                          C'est précisément ce que je conteste, de Semetipsum [2007-08-03 10:20:15]
                              Pourquoi ?, de BK [2007-08-05 05:33:01]
                                  [réponse], de Semetipsum [2007-08-05 17:09:54]
                                      Effectivement, de BK [2007-08-06 03:52:52]
                  Et c'est reparti pour un tour !, de N.M. [2007-08-02 11:36:31]
                      Question, de BK [2007-08-03 03:29:48]
                          Que de perles !, de N.M. [2007-08-03 10:30:57]
                              ... excusez-moi, je n'avais pas reconnu le pourcea [...], de BK [2007-08-03 10:55:11]
                                  Dans le cochon tout est bon !, de N.M. [2007-08-03 12:24:47]
                                      Plus ça devient gros..., de BK [2007-08-03 14:01:25]
                                          Il me semble, de Une Ame [2007-08-03 14:33:22]
                                              Le magistère, de BK [2007-08-03 14:54:46]
                                                  La lecture de PieXII..., de Une Ame [2007-08-03 15:16:24]
                                                      Ce que Pie XII dit des encycliques, de BK [2007-08-04 04:59:57]
                                                          Ah ?, de Une Ame [2007-08-04 14:50:17]
                                                              Je vous suggère, de BK [2007-08-04 15:50:23]
                                          Toujours des perles, de N.M. [2007-08-03 15:04:43]
                                              Remarques, de BK [2007-08-04 05:22:54]
                                              Remarques, de BK [2007-08-04 05:23:25]
                                                  Feu d'artifice de BKasseries, de N.M. [2007-08-04 19:15:32]
                                                      Bon, bah c'est simple, de BK [2007-08-04 19:55:24]
                                                          BKasseries en solde, de N.M. [2007-08-04 21:04:55]
                                                              Vous plaisantez ?, de BK [2007-08-05 05:11:41]
                                                                  Je n'oserais point..., de N.M. [2007-08-05 10:18:10]
                                                                      Vous hurlez, de BK [2007-08-05 11:39:50]
                                                                          Pauvre, pauvre BK !, de N.M. [2007-08-05 16:21:20]
                                                                              Questions simples, de BK [2007-08-05 16:58:45]
                                                                                  La déclaration de Léon XIII n'exclut pas une dé [...], de Vianney [2007-08-05 19:46:44]
                                                                                      Défaillance possible ?, de Athanasios D. [2007-08-05 20:17:15]
                                                                                          Si des papes eux-mêmes envisagent le cas..., de Vianney [2007-08-05 21:13:01]
                                                                                              Ben..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-05 21:24:39]
                                                                                                  ...ça alors !, de Vianney [2007-08-06 08:02:34]
                                                                                                      Indépendamment..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-06 09:39:19]
                                                                                                          Ah oui ?, de N.M. [2007-08-06 09:58:27]
                                                                                                              Point du tout, de BK [2007-08-06 10:01:54]
                                                                                                                  Hé oh !, de N.M. [2007-08-06 10:06:54]
                                                                                                              Maître..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-06 10:06:44]
                                                                                                                  Si tel est votre bon plaisir, de N.M. [2007-08-06 20:46:18]
                                                                                                                      Quelques indices ?, de Athanasios D. [2007-08-07 11:47:41]
                                                                                                                          Merci pour ces références, M. Athanasios!, de Franciscus [2007-08-07 12:09:46]
                                                                                                                          Hans Küng est parmi nous !, de N.M. [2007-08-08 20:40:54]
                                                                                                                              Cela répond..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-08 22:00:10]
                                                                                                                                  Ah oui !, de N.M. [2007-08-08 23:25:00]
                                                                                                                                      Bref,..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-09 10:41:54]
                                                                                                                                          Denzinger, de N.M. [2007-08-09 11:04:48]
                                                                                                                                              Bof..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-09 11:51:02]
                                                                                                  Tiens..., de N.M. [2007-08-06 09:41:27]
                                                                                                      Ainsi donc..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-06 10:03:53]
                                                                                                          On aura compris, de N.M. [2007-08-06 10:09:58]
                                                                                                              Quelle controverse ?, de Athanasios D. [2007-08-06 10:15:46]
                                                                                                                  Mais, cher Bugnini..., de N.M. [2007-08-06 10:20:24]
                                                                                                                      Vous oubliez..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-06 10:25:30]
                                                                                                                          Tout lecteur..., de N.M. [2007-08-06 11:39:13]
                                                                                                                              Attention !, de Athanasios D. [2007-08-06 12:36:18]
                                                                                                                                  Mais non, c'est le Saint-Siège..., de Vianney [2007-08-06 13:09:00]
                                                                                                                                      En effet..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-06 13:25:50]
                                                                                                                                          Sommes-nous bien sur la même longueur d'onde ?, de Vianney [2007-08-06 18:25:34]
                                                                                      Pas clair, de BK [2007-08-06 03:40:45]
                                                                                          Halte là !, de N.M. [2007-08-06 09:31:27]
                                                                                  Ta, ta, ta, ta, ta..., de N.M. [2007-08-05 20:39:03]
                                                                                      Ben..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-05 20:57:26]
                                                                                          Ah ! Bugnini Second entre en lice !, de N.M. [2007-08-06 09:37:40]
                                                                                              Je vous l'accorde..., de Athanasios D. [2007-08-06 09:56:54]
                                                                                      Aucun rapport, de BK [2007-08-06 03:20:34]
                                                                                          Tout au contraire, de N.M. [2007-08-06 09:28:36]
                                                                                              Mon petit monsieur, de BK [2007-08-06 09:50:04]
                                                                                                  Naufrage du BK, de N.M. [2007-08-06 10:04:42]
                                                                                                      Mais vous finissez en queue de poisson,, de BK [2007-08-06 10:22:10]
                                                                                                          Avis à BKassine, de N.M. [2007-08-06 11:41:33]
                                                                                                              Je ne crois pas, de BK [2007-08-06 12:27:38]
                                                                                                                  Un indice, de N.M. [2007-08-06 20:43:11]
                                                                                                                      Je donne ma langue au chat, de BK [2007-08-07 10:32:40]
                                                                                                                          Miaou !, de N.M. [2007-08-08 20:44:43]
                                                                                                                              Bis, de BK [2007-08-09 08:10:20]
                                                                                                                                  Mais si gros malin !, de N.M. [2007-08-09 11:12:34]
                                                                                                                                      On vote, alors ?, de BK [2007-08-09 11:23:27]
                                                                                                                                          On se décide à répondre un jour ?, de N.M. [2007-08-09 11:54:49]
                                                                                                                                              Nestorius, de BK [2007-08-09 12:02:16]
                                                                                                                                                  Au sujet de Nestorius pour BK, de Anaclet [2007-08-09 16:18:12]
                                                                                                                                      Du coup ?, de Une Ame [2007-08-09 13:52:39]
                                                                                                                                          Deux réponses, de N.M. [2007-08-09 17:04:45]
                                                                                                                                              Perplexe, de Une Ame [2007-08-09 18:11:12]
                                                                          Remplacez..., de N.M. [2007-08-05 16:28:38]
                                                      Vous avez sans doute raison, de Une Ame [2007-08-05 00:56:14]
                                                          Un conseil dont vous ferez ce que vous voulez, de BK [2007-08-05 05:18:55]
                                                              Oui, vous avez raison,, de Une Ame [2007-08-05 23:53:18]
                              C'est passionnant tout ça !, de Eymerich [2007-08-03 12:36:37]
                                  Non, de N.M. [2007-08-03 13:52:18]
                                      Voui, mais :, de XA [2007-08-03 13:55:27]
                                      Ts ts ts, de Eymerich [2007-08-03 14:00:31]
      intéressant, de marieR [2007-07-31 22:36:26]
      IOTA UNUM....., de Bertrand [2007-07-31 22:41:49]
      Ne sais pas tout, de l'Irlandais [2007-07-31 23:13:53]
      Cher John, de N.M. [2007-08-01 08:59:41]
          Autre excemple, de Ichtus [2007-08-01 09:42:22]
              Le poisson pourrit par la tête, de N.M. [2007-08-01 10:19:43]
                  Quelques exemples :, de Athanasios D. [2007-08-01 10:37:55]
                      Des exemples hors sujet, de N.M. [2007-08-01 11:06:19]
                          C'est vrai !, de Athanasios D. [2007-08-01 11:54:39]
                              Heu ???, de N.M. [2007-08-01 12:20:48]
                                  Dommage !, de Athanasios D. [2007-08-01 13:02:25]
                                      Moi aussi j'ai des belles images !, de N.M. [2007-08-01 14:03:50]
          Pardon ?, de BK [2007-08-02 09:03:18]
              Voici ma réponse, de N.M. [2007-08-02 11:19:26]
                  Bon, résumons..., de BK [2007-08-03 08:55:56]
                      Que de perles (la suite) !, de N.M. [2007-08-03 11:32:47]
                          ... désolé, je n'avais pas non plus reconnu le p [...], de BK [2007-08-03 14:18:36]
                              Il est gentil..., de N.M. [2007-08-03 15:13:41]
                                  Mais non., de BK [2007-08-04 04:56:43]
                                      Mais si !, de N.M. [2007-08-04 19:17:46]
                                          Mais non., de BK [2007-08-05 05:35:46]
                                              C'est ça mon garçon..., de N.M. [2007-08-05 09:28:32]
                                                  Vous jouez sur les mots, de BK [2007-08-07 11:57:48]
                                                      Rien ne vous arrête !, de N.M. [2007-08-08 20:30:21]
                                                          Eh bien ?, de BK [2007-08-09 08:05:52]
                                                              Il ne faut tout de même pas exagérer !, de N.M. [2007-08-09 11:16:55]
      Les "iota" s'accumulent, or un seul est  [...], de Glycera [2007-08-01 09:59:56]
      Un aveu de taille, de N.M. [2007-08-01 10:07:48]
          “Non seulement la forme, mais aussi la réalité [...], de Vianney [2007-08-01 21:15:48]
              Contre-syllabus, de BK [2007-08-02 09:15:23]
                  Loin, très loin du Syllabus..., de N.M. [2007-08-02 12:06:15]
                      Le syllabus?, de JacqHou [2007-08-09 19:17:05]
                          Formules..., de Le souricier [2007-08-09 19:52:16]