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Cher Vianney Imprimer
Auteur : Anton
Sujet : Cher Vianney
Date : 2010-02-27 23:13:59

Vous avez dit que vous aviez été victime du libéralisme.
Je pense que depuis, vous semblez voir le libéralisme partout.
Un peu comme un allergique qui craint tout.

Je ne fais aucune affirmation.
Je me contente de lire ce que vous avez écrit. Les documents fournis.
Et en le lisant, l'on ne peut conclure que les motivations du gouvernement sont des motivations chrétiennes, surtout quand il est écrit que les motivations sont politiques.

Mais que le Saint Siège ait voulu des modifications conformes à Vatican II, ne fait pas de Vatican II, le responsable de la crise de la Foi.
Or deux évènements sont parallèles
-Crise de la Foi
-Le concile Vatican II
Si le Concile ne porte pas de fruits, c'est tout simplement à cause de la crise de la Foi. Le pape a reconnu qu'il n'avait pas été reçu.
Il n'a pas été reçu à cause de cette Crise.
Sauf que cette Crise vous reconnaissez qu'elle est antérieure à Vatican II, car si vous faites porter vos accusations sur le Concile, il faut admettre, qu'il est le résultat d'une crise de la Foi et non le contraire. Or le Concile appartenant au Magistère, il est indépendant de la Crise de la Foi. Les conséquences autrement seraient d'une autre nature, bien plus graves.
Nous avons évoqué ailleurs ce dernier point.

Cordialement


La discussion

 Espagne : journée noire pour la Vie !, de Cristo [2010-02-25 13:10:41]
      Vatican II est responsable !, de Jean-Paul PARFU [2010-02-25 14:27:38]
          Question concernant la modification du Fuero., de Meneau [2010-02-25 17:06:34]
              Précision, de Meneau [2010-02-25 17:09:48]
                  C'est bien le St Siège qui a obligé, de Jean-Paul PARFU [2010-02-25 17:41:24]
                      C’est en effet de Paul VI..., de Vianney [2010-02-25 18:21:22]
                          Merci cher Vianney, de N.M. [2010-02-25 18:52:46]
                              Votre référence est beaucoup plus sûre..., de Vianney [2010-02-25 20:12:00]
                                  Merci !, de Meneau [2010-02-27 00:42:08]
                                      Une question de cohérence, de Vianney [2010-02-27 16:26:06]
                                      Des indications beaucoup plus précises, de Vianney [2010-02-27 17:33:19]
                                          Encore merci !, de Meneau [2010-02-27 18:54:25]
                                              Cela semble pourtant suffisant, de Anton [2010-02-27 19:02:48]
                                                  La parole est à la défense..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 19:16:27]
                                                      Pour faire passer, de Anton [2010-02-27 19:44:39]
                                                          En somme, merci!, de Gentiloup [2010-02-27 19:49:55]
                                                          la succession, de Fioretti [2010-02-27 19:57:50]
                                                          Vous avez eu raison..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 20:37:53]
                                                              Pourtant c'est bien en vous lisant., de Anton [2010-02-27 21:27:38]
                                                                  Quand bien même..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 22:14:47]
                                                                      Cher Vianney, de Anton [2010-02-27 23:13:59]
                                                                          Votre non-réponse à ma question..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 07:13:03]
                                                                              mais Vianney , vous savez bien, de pyo [2010-02-28 07:50:30]
                                                                                  Mettez-vous à sa place..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 09:25:21]
                                                                              Mais comment faites vous., de Anton [2010-02-28 13:18:35]
                                                                                  Comme vous dites si bien..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 14:37:30]
                                                                                       Maintenant comment allez vous prétendre, de Anton [2010-02-28 15:03:27]
                                                                                          Vous jouez au rugby ?, de Scribe [2010-02-28 15:09:21]
                                                                                              Vous connaissez les règles., de Anton [2010-02-28 15:27:53]
                                                                                                  Quand justifierez-vous ce que vous avancez ?, de Scribe [2010-02-28 17:34:15]
                                                                                                      Je croyais que c'était à ceux , de Anton [2010-02-28 21:59:20]
                                                                                                          N'importe quoi, de Meneau [2010-03-01 00:07:43]
                                                                                                              Vous en connaissez une autre, de Anton [2010-03-01 13:40:47]
                                                                                                                  Ce n'est pas la quantité qui fait la qualité, de Meneau [2010-03-01 16:29:30]
                                                                                                                      Il me semble que l'abbé Lucien, de Anton [2010-03-01 18:20:01]
                                                                                                  Dites plutôt..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 17:48:35]
                                                                                                      Il est évident, de Anton [2010-03-01 13:58:34]
                                                                                                          “Hors contexte”, de Vianney [2010-03-01 14:42:58]
                                                                                                              Essayons d'être clair et précis...., de origenius [2010-03-01 14:55:41]
                                                                                                                  Je vous renvoie à la discussion..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 15:50:29]
                                                                                                                      Le vatican ayant le droit de réprimer, de Anton [2010-03-01 15:56:25]
                                                                                                                          Pas le Vatican..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 16:27:19]
                                                                                                                              Luther?, de Anton [2010-03-01 18:02:53]
                                                                                                                                  Mon cas n’est pas bien grave alors..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 18:55:21]
                                                                                                                                      Ah ce bon St Paul !, de Halleluia [2010-03-01 22:56:19]
                                                                                                                                          Pauvre, de Paxtecum [2010-03-02 00:14:35]
                                                                                                                                              Un peu court..., de Vianney [2010-03-02 08:27:11]
                                                                                                                                                  A cause de cet article :, de Halleluia [2010-03-02 20:55:28]
                                                                                                                                                      Je vous comprends..., de Vianney [2010-03-02 21:21:55]
                                                                                                                                                      Oh relevez, de Paxtecum [2010-03-03 00:35:28]
                                                                                                                                                  J'entends bien, de Paxtecum [2010-03-03 01:36:23]
                                                                                                                                                      Il n’est pas question..., de Vianney [2010-03-03 08:13:15]
                                                                                                                                                          Pardon?, de Anton [2010-03-03 11:19:39]
                                                                                                                                                              À votre service..., de Vianney [2010-03-03 14:30:07]
                                                                                                                                                                  Vous ne mélangez pas un peu les notions, de Anton [2010-03-04 09:41:53]
                                                                                                                                                                      Complément de réflexion...., de origenius [2010-03-04 11:07:27]
                                                                                                                                                                          Complétude et abracadabritude, de Gentiloup [2010-03-04 11:30:20]
                                                                                                                                                                              Le Christ, époux... vous dit le contraire , de Glycéra [2010-03-04 11:43:43]
                                                                                                                                                                                  Cela ne concerne pas la doctrine..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 12:14:36]
                                                                                                                                                                                      Vous jouez à quoi, Vianney ?????, de origenius [2010-03-04 12:26:04]
                                                                                                                                                                                          Simple mise au point..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 14:19:58]
                                                                                                                                                                                              Simple erreur de lecture ?, de Glycéra [2010-03-04 14:28:29]
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Relisez le catéchisme du concile de Trente, de Vianney [2010-03-04 15:09:32]
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bien sûr, mais..., de Etienne [2010-03-04 15:37:53]
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oui, mais là on se place sur un tout autre plan.. [...], de Vianney [2010-03-04 16:06:32]
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hmmm..., de Etienne [2010-03-04 16:54:31]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ce n’est pas impossible, remarquez..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 17:43:39]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Est-ce bien possible........, de origenius [2010-03-06 11:05:59]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Un bon conseil de Chateaubriand..., de Vianney [2010-03-20 17:13:22]
                                                                                                                                                                                              Vous n'avez strictement rien compris..., de origenius [2010-03-04 14:30:26]
                                                                                                                                                                                                  sauf que, de Scribe [2010-03-04 14:34:50]
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Seigneur! Hâtez-vous de nous secourir., de Castille [2010-03-04 16:13:08]
                                                                                                                                                                      Mais non, mais non..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 12:07:36]
                                                                                                                                                                          Le veau d'or, de Anton [2010-03-04 13:29:56]
                                                                                                                              Choquant !..., de origenius [2010-03-01 18:14:39]
                                                                                                                                  Seigneur!!! Vianney, de pyo [2010-03-01 18:33:28]
                                                                                                                                      En ce moment..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 19:41:49]
                                                                                                                                          Le Chef c'est le Christ, de Anton [2010-03-01 19:46:26]
                                                                                                                                              Mais le chef ne change pas sa doctrine, de Vianney [2010-03-01 20:23:09]
                                                                                                                                                  Elle n'a jamais changé, de Anton [2010-03-02 13:26:13]
                                                                                                                                                      Et c’est reparti..., de Vianney [2010-03-02 14:40:30]
                                                                                                                                  Les citations sont précisément là..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 19:32:25]
                                                                                                                      Je vous renvoie à mes 2 questions..SVP..., de origenius [2010-03-01 16:03:28]
                                                                                                                          Je vous redonne les mêmes réponses, de Vianney [2010-03-01 16:22:57]
                                                                                                                      Le droit naturel au règne de Dieu sur les nations, de Gentiloup [2010-03-01 18:51:10]
                                                                                                                          Encore on tronque, mais conforme à DH, de Anton [2010-03-01 19:34:12]
                                                                                                                              C'est vous qui tronquez!, de Gentiloup [2010-03-01 19:45:18]
                                                                                                                                  Encore un petit effort..., de origenius [2010-03-01 19:59:42]
                                                                                                                                      Je dois préciser en effet!, de Gentiloup [2010-03-01 23:04:37]
                                                                                                                                  Pas tout à fait, de Anton [2010-03-02 12:17:24]
                                                                                                                                      A propos du Temple, mon cher Anton.., de origenius [2010-03-02 13:38:40]
                                                                                                              Ce n'est pas Dieu qui est en cause, de Anton [2010-03-01 15:30:00]
                                              Non, pour l’instant..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 19:03:29]
      Avortement autorisé depuis les années 80, de Edouard R [2010-02-25 18:34:01]
          En France aussi, au même moment..., de jejomau [2010-02-25 20:13:41]