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“Hors contexte” Imprimer
Auteur : Vianney
Sujet : “Hors contexte”
Date : 2010-03-01 14:42:58

Quand il s’agit de décisions à prendre, le contexte est important. En ce sens précis, ce qu’un pape a fait, un autre peut le défaire.

Quand il s’agit d’un droit naturel valable pour tout homme venant en ce monde, le contexte n’a aucune importance : ce droit est valable en tout temps et tout lieu, ou il n’est qu’un leurre.

Mais si le droit à la liberté religieuse est valable en tout temps et en tout lieu, l’Eglise est condamnable pour ne pas l’avoir respecté : notamment en créant des institutions comme l’Inquisition et en canonisant des inquisiteurs morts martyrs au service de l’Inquisition (par exemple saint Pierre de Vérone).

Or l’Eglise est sainte, donc en aucune façon condamnable.

Donc ce prétendu “droit naturel” n’est qu’un leurre, et le document qui le légitime (Dignitatis Humanæ) ne provient pas de l’Eglise, en dépit des apparences.

V.

N.B. On pourrait aller beaucoup plus loin : dans la Sainte Ecriture, qui est inspirée par l’Esprit-Saint, on peut lire qu’à plusieurs reprises Dieu a ordonné à ses prophètes d’accomplir des actes qui vont à l’encontre de ce prétendu “droit naturel” à la liberté religieuse :

C'est bien Dieu qui a ordonné à Elie de tuer les prêtres de Baal : dans son homélie De Ira (n° 20), saint Basile montre par cet exemple quel châtiment Dieu est capable d'infliger aux blasphémateurs. Il cite du reste d'autres ordres semblables, dont un adressé à Moïse.


Adhérer à Dignitatis Humanæ, c’est donc reprocher à Dieu de ne pas respecter un droit naturel valable pour tout être humain !



La discussion

 Espagne : journée noire pour la Vie !, de Cristo [2010-02-25 13:10:41]
      Vatican II est responsable !, de Jean-Paul PARFU [2010-02-25 14:27:38]
          Question concernant la modification du Fuero., de Meneau [2010-02-25 17:06:34]
              Précision, de Meneau [2010-02-25 17:09:48]
                  C'est bien le St Siège qui a obligé, de Jean-Paul PARFU [2010-02-25 17:41:24]
                      C’est en effet de Paul VI..., de Vianney [2010-02-25 18:21:22]
                          Merci cher Vianney, de N.M. [2010-02-25 18:52:46]
                              Votre référence est beaucoup plus sûre..., de Vianney [2010-02-25 20:12:00]
                                  Merci !, de Meneau [2010-02-27 00:42:08]
                                      Une question de cohérence, de Vianney [2010-02-27 16:26:06]
                                      Des indications beaucoup plus précises, de Vianney [2010-02-27 17:33:19]
                                          Encore merci !, de Meneau [2010-02-27 18:54:25]
                                              Cela semble pourtant suffisant, de Anton [2010-02-27 19:02:48]
                                                  La parole est à la défense..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 19:16:27]
                                                      Pour faire passer, de Anton [2010-02-27 19:44:39]
                                                          En somme, merci!, de Gentiloup [2010-02-27 19:49:55]
                                                          la succession, de Fioretti [2010-02-27 19:57:50]
                                                          Vous avez eu raison..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 20:37:53]
                                                              Pourtant c'est bien en vous lisant., de Anton [2010-02-27 21:27:38]
                                                                  Quand bien même..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 22:14:47]
                                                                      Cher Vianney, de Anton [2010-02-27 23:13:59]
                                                                          Votre non-réponse à ma question..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 07:13:03]
                                                                              mais Vianney , vous savez bien, de pyo [2010-02-28 07:50:30]
                                                                                  Mettez-vous à sa place..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 09:25:21]
                                                                              Mais comment faites vous., de Anton [2010-02-28 13:18:35]
                                                                                  Comme vous dites si bien..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 14:37:30]
                                                                                       Maintenant comment allez vous prétendre, de Anton [2010-02-28 15:03:27]
                                                                                          Vous jouez au rugby ?, de Scribe [2010-02-28 15:09:21]
                                                                                              Vous connaissez les règles., de Anton [2010-02-28 15:27:53]
                                                                                                  Quand justifierez-vous ce que vous avancez ?, de Scribe [2010-02-28 17:34:15]
                                                                                                      Je croyais que c'était à ceux , de Anton [2010-02-28 21:59:20]
                                                                                                          N'importe quoi, de Meneau [2010-03-01 00:07:43]
                                                                                                              Vous en connaissez une autre, de Anton [2010-03-01 13:40:47]
                                                                                                                  Ce n'est pas la quantité qui fait la qualité, de Meneau [2010-03-01 16:29:30]
                                                                                                                      Il me semble que l'abbé Lucien, de Anton [2010-03-01 18:20:01]
                                                                                                  Dites plutôt..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 17:48:35]
                                                                                                      Il est évident, de Anton [2010-03-01 13:58:34]
                                                                                                          “Hors contexte”, de Vianney [2010-03-01 14:42:58]
                                                                                                              Essayons d'être clair et précis...., de origenius [2010-03-01 14:55:41]
                                                                                                                  Je vous renvoie à la discussion..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 15:50:29]
                                                                                                                      Le vatican ayant le droit de réprimer, de Anton [2010-03-01 15:56:25]
                                                                                                                          Pas le Vatican..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 16:27:19]
                                                                                                                              Luther?, de Anton [2010-03-01 18:02:53]
                                                                                                                                  Mon cas n’est pas bien grave alors..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 18:55:21]
                                                                                                                                      Ah ce bon St Paul !, de Halleluia [2010-03-01 22:56:19]
                                                                                                                                          Pauvre, de Paxtecum [2010-03-02 00:14:35]
                                                                                                                                              Un peu court..., de Vianney [2010-03-02 08:27:11]
                                                                                                                                                  A cause de cet article :, de Halleluia [2010-03-02 20:55:28]
                                                                                                                                                      Je vous comprends..., de Vianney [2010-03-02 21:21:55]
                                                                                                                                                      Oh relevez, de Paxtecum [2010-03-03 00:35:28]
                                                                                                                                                  J'entends bien, de Paxtecum [2010-03-03 01:36:23]
                                                                                                                                                      Il n’est pas question..., de Vianney [2010-03-03 08:13:15]
                                                                                                                                                          Pardon?, de Anton [2010-03-03 11:19:39]
                                                                                                                                                              À votre service..., de Vianney [2010-03-03 14:30:07]
                                                                                                                                                                  Vous ne mélangez pas un peu les notions, de Anton [2010-03-04 09:41:53]
                                                                                                                                                                      Complément de réflexion...., de origenius [2010-03-04 11:07:27]
                                                                                                                                                                          Complétude et abracadabritude, de Gentiloup [2010-03-04 11:30:20]
                                                                                                                                                                              Le Christ, époux... vous dit le contraire , de Glycéra [2010-03-04 11:43:43]
                                                                                                                                                                                  Cela ne concerne pas la doctrine..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 12:14:36]
                                                                                                                                                                                      Vous jouez à quoi, Vianney ?????, de origenius [2010-03-04 12:26:04]
                                                                                                                                                                                          Simple mise au point..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 14:19:58]
                                                                                                                                                                                              Simple erreur de lecture ?, de Glycéra [2010-03-04 14:28:29]
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Relisez le catéchisme du concile de Trente, de Vianney [2010-03-04 15:09:32]
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bien sûr, mais..., de Etienne [2010-03-04 15:37:53]
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oui, mais là on se place sur un tout autre plan.. [...], de Vianney [2010-03-04 16:06:32]
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hmmm..., de Etienne [2010-03-04 16:54:31]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ce n’est pas impossible, remarquez..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 17:43:39]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Est-ce bien possible........, de origenius [2010-03-06 11:05:59]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Un bon conseil de Chateaubriand..., de Vianney [2010-03-20 17:13:22]
                                                                                                                                                                                              Vous n'avez strictement rien compris..., de origenius [2010-03-04 14:30:26]
                                                                                                                                                                                                  sauf que, de Scribe [2010-03-04 14:34:50]
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Seigneur! Hâtez-vous de nous secourir., de Castille [2010-03-04 16:13:08]
                                                                                                                                                                      Mais non, mais non..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 12:07:36]
                                                                                                                                                                          Le veau d'or, de Anton [2010-03-04 13:29:56]
                                                                                                                              Choquant !..., de origenius [2010-03-01 18:14:39]
                                                                                                                                  Seigneur!!! Vianney, de pyo [2010-03-01 18:33:28]
                                                                                                                                      En ce moment..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 19:41:49]
                                                                                                                                          Le Chef c'est le Christ, de Anton [2010-03-01 19:46:26]
                                                                                                                                              Mais le chef ne change pas sa doctrine, de Vianney [2010-03-01 20:23:09]
                                                                                                                                                  Elle n'a jamais changé, de Anton [2010-03-02 13:26:13]
                                                                                                                                                      Et c’est reparti..., de Vianney [2010-03-02 14:40:30]
                                                                                                                                  Les citations sont précisément là..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 19:32:25]
                                                                                                                      Je vous renvoie à mes 2 questions..SVP..., de origenius [2010-03-01 16:03:28]
                                                                                                                          Je vous redonne les mêmes réponses, de Vianney [2010-03-01 16:22:57]
                                                                                                                      Le droit naturel au règne de Dieu sur les nations, de Gentiloup [2010-03-01 18:51:10]
                                                                                                                          Encore on tronque, mais conforme à DH, de Anton [2010-03-01 19:34:12]
                                                                                                                              C'est vous qui tronquez!, de Gentiloup [2010-03-01 19:45:18]
                                                                                                                                  Encore un petit effort..., de origenius [2010-03-01 19:59:42]
                                                                                                                                      Je dois préciser en effet!, de Gentiloup [2010-03-01 23:04:37]
                                                                                                                                  Pas tout à fait, de Anton [2010-03-02 12:17:24]
                                                                                                                                      A propos du Temple, mon cher Anton.., de origenius [2010-03-02 13:38:40]
                                                                                                              Ce n'est pas Dieu qui est en cause, de Anton [2010-03-01 15:30:00]
                                              Non, pour l’instant..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 19:03:29]
      Avortement autorisé depuis les années 80, de Edouard R [2010-02-25 18:34:01]
          En France aussi, au même moment..., de jejomau [2010-02-25 20:13:41]