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Quand bien même... Imprimer
Auteur : Vianney
Sujet : Quand bien même...
Date : 2010-02-27 22:14:47

...vous auriez prouvé que les motivations du gouvernement espagnol étaient en partie – ou même exclusivement – politiques, en quoi auriez-vous démontré que les changements apportés à la législation espagnole n’étaient pas voulu ou au moins admis par le Saint-Siège ? C’est sur ce point que porte la discussion entre Meneau, J.P. Parfu et moi.

Les auteurs que j’ai cités (qu’ils soient favorables ou non à la réforme de la législation) montrent que les opposants au principe de cette réforme provenaient de l’aile droite du Mouvement franquiste. Ils montrent aussi que Paul VI demandait d’autres réformes, notamment en ce qui concerne la nomination des évêques.

Mais connaissez-vous un texte de Paul VI, ou d’un évêque espagnol favorable à Vatican II, qui ait contesté le principe de la réforme de la législation religieuse espagnole ? Si oui, montrez-le-nous. Sinon, vos affirmations sont gratuites.

V.


La discussion

 Espagne : journée noire pour la Vie !, de Cristo [2010-02-25 13:10:41]
      Vatican II est responsable !, de Jean-Paul PARFU [2010-02-25 14:27:38]
          Question concernant la modification du Fuero., de Meneau [2010-02-25 17:06:34]
              Précision, de Meneau [2010-02-25 17:09:48]
                  C'est bien le St Siège qui a obligé, de Jean-Paul PARFU [2010-02-25 17:41:24]
                      C’est en effet de Paul VI..., de Vianney [2010-02-25 18:21:22]
                          Merci cher Vianney, de N.M. [2010-02-25 18:52:46]
                              Votre référence est beaucoup plus sûre..., de Vianney [2010-02-25 20:12:00]
                                  Merci !, de Meneau [2010-02-27 00:42:08]
                                      Une question de cohérence, de Vianney [2010-02-27 16:26:06]
                                      Des indications beaucoup plus précises, de Vianney [2010-02-27 17:33:19]
                                          Encore merci !, de Meneau [2010-02-27 18:54:25]
                                              Cela semble pourtant suffisant, de Anton [2010-02-27 19:02:48]
                                                  La parole est à la défense..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 19:16:27]
                                                      Pour faire passer, de Anton [2010-02-27 19:44:39]
                                                          En somme, merci!, de Gentiloup [2010-02-27 19:49:55]
                                                          la succession, de Fioretti [2010-02-27 19:57:50]
                                                          Vous avez eu raison..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 20:37:53]
                                                              Pourtant c'est bien en vous lisant., de Anton [2010-02-27 21:27:38]
                                                                  Quand bien même..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 22:14:47]
                                                                      Cher Vianney, de Anton [2010-02-27 23:13:59]
                                                                          Votre non-réponse à ma question..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 07:13:03]
                                                                              mais Vianney , vous savez bien, de pyo [2010-02-28 07:50:30]
                                                                                  Mettez-vous à sa place..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 09:25:21]
                                                                              Mais comment faites vous., de Anton [2010-02-28 13:18:35]
                                                                                  Comme vous dites si bien..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 14:37:30]
                                                                                       Maintenant comment allez vous prétendre, de Anton [2010-02-28 15:03:27]
                                                                                          Vous jouez au rugby ?, de Scribe [2010-02-28 15:09:21]
                                                                                              Vous connaissez les règles., de Anton [2010-02-28 15:27:53]
                                                                                                  Quand justifierez-vous ce que vous avancez ?, de Scribe [2010-02-28 17:34:15]
                                                                                                      Je croyais que c'était à ceux , de Anton [2010-02-28 21:59:20]
                                                                                                          N'importe quoi, de Meneau [2010-03-01 00:07:43]
                                                                                                              Vous en connaissez une autre, de Anton [2010-03-01 13:40:47]
                                                                                                                  Ce n'est pas la quantité qui fait la qualité, de Meneau [2010-03-01 16:29:30]
                                                                                                                      Il me semble que l'abbé Lucien, de Anton [2010-03-01 18:20:01]
                                                                                                  Dites plutôt..., de Vianney [2010-02-28 17:48:35]
                                                                                                      Il est évident, de Anton [2010-03-01 13:58:34]
                                                                                                          “Hors contexte”, de Vianney [2010-03-01 14:42:58]
                                                                                                              Essayons d'être clair et précis...., de origenius [2010-03-01 14:55:41]
                                                                                                                  Je vous renvoie à la discussion..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 15:50:29]
                                                                                                                      Le vatican ayant le droit de réprimer, de Anton [2010-03-01 15:56:25]
                                                                                                                          Pas le Vatican..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 16:27:19]
                                                                                                                              Luther?, de Anton [2010-03-01 18:02:53]
                                                                                                                                  Mon cas n’est pas bien grave alors..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 18:55:21]
                                                                                                                                      Ah ce bon St Paul !, de Halleluia [2010-03-01 22:56:19]
                                                                                                                                          Pauvre, de Paxtecum [2010-03-02 00:14:35]
                                                                                                                                              Un peu court..., de Vianney [2010-03-02 08:27:11]
                                                                                                                                                  A cause de cet article :, de Halleluia [2010-03-02 20:55:28]
                                                                                                                                                      Je vous comprends..., de Vianney [2010-03-02 21:21:55]
                                                                                                                                                      Oh relevez, de Paxtecum [2010-03-03 00:35:28]
                                                                                                                                                  J'entends bien, de Paxtecum [2010-03-03 01:36:23]
                                                                                                                                                      Il n’est pas question..., de Vianney [2010-03-03 08:13:15]
                                                                                                                                                          Pardon?, de Anton [2010-03-03 11:19:39]
                                                                                                                                                              À votre service..., de Vianney [2010-03-03 14:30:07]
                                                                                                                                                                  Vous ne mélangez pas un peu les notions, de Anton [2010-03-04 09:41:53]
                                                                                                                                                                      Complément de réflexion...., de origenius [2010-03-04 11:07:27]
                                                                                                                                                                          Complétude et abracadabritude, de Gentiloup [2010-03-04 11:30:20]
                                                                                                                                                                              Le Christ, époux... vous dit le contraire , de Glycéra [2010-03-04 11:43:43]
                                                                                                                                                                                  Cela ne concerne pas la doctrine..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 12:14:36]
                                                                                                                                                                                      Vous jouez à quoi, Vianney ?????, de origenius [2010-03-04 12:26:04]
                                                                                                                                                                                          Simple mise au point..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 14:19:58]
                                                                                                                                                                                              Simple erreur de lecture ?, de Glycéra [2010-03-04 14:28:29]
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Relisez le catéchisme du concile de Trente, de Vianney [2010-03-04 15:09:32]
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bien sûr, mais..., de Etienne [2010-03-04 15:37:53]
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oui, mais là on se place sur un tout autre plan.. [...], de Vianney [2010-03-04 16:06:32]
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hmmm..., de Etienne [2010-03-04 16:54:31]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ce n’est pas impossible, remarquez..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 17:43:39]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Est-ce bien possible........, de origenius [2010-03-06 11:05:59]
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Un bon conseil de Chateaubriand..., de Vianney [2010-03-20 17:13:22]
                                                                                                                                                                                              Vous n'avez strictement rien compris..., de origenius [2010-03-04 14:30:26]
                                                                                                                                                                                                  sauf que, de Scribe [2010-03-04 14:34:50]
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Seigneur! Hâtez-vous de nous secourir., de Castille [2010-03-04 16:13:08]
                                                                                                                                                                      Mais non, mais non..., de Vianney [2010-03-04 12:07:36]
                                                                                                                                                                          Le veau d'or, de Anton [2010-03-04 13:29:56]
                                                                                                                              Choquant !..., de origenius [2010-03-01 18:14:39]
                                                                                                                                  Seigneur!!! Vianney, de pyo [2010-03-01 18:33:28]
                                                                                                                                      En ce moment..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 19:41:49]
                                                                                                                                          Le Chef c'est le Christ, de Anton [2010-03-01 19:46:26]
                                                                                                                                              Mais le chef ne change pas sa doctrine, de Vianney [2010-03-01 20:23:09]
                                                                                                                                                  Elle n'a jamais changé, de Anton [2010-03-02 13:26:13]
                                                                                                                                                      Et c’est reparti..., de Vianney [2010-03-02 14:40:30]
                                                                                                                                  Les citations sont précisément là..., de Vianney [2010-03-01 19:32:25]
                                                                                                                      Je vous renvoie à mes 2 questions..SVP..., de origenius [2010-03-01 16:03:28]
                                                                                                                          Je vous redonne les mêmes réponses, de Vianney [2010-03-01 16:22:57]
                                                                                                                      Le droit naturel au règne de Dieu sur les nations, de Gentiloup [2010-03-01 18:51:10]
                                                                                                                          Encore on tronque, mais conforme à DH, de Anton [2010-03-01 19:34:12]
                                                                                                                              C'est vous qui tronquez!, de Gentiloup [2010-03-01 19:45:18]
                                                                                                                                  Encore un petit effort..., de origenius [2010-03-01 19:59:42]
                                                                                                                                      Je dois préciser en effet!, de Gentiloup [2010-03-01 23:04:37]
                                                                                                                                  Pas tout à fait, de Anton [2010-03-02 12:17:24]
                                                                                                                                      A propos du Temple, mon cher Anton.., de origenius [2010-03-02 13:38:40]
                                                                                                              Ce n'est pas Dieu qui est en cause, de Anton [2010-03-01 15:30:00]
                                              Non, pour l’instant..., de Vianney [2010-02-27 19:03:29]
      Avortement autorisé depuis les années 80, de Edouard R [2010-02-25 18:34:01]
          En France aussi, au même moment..., de jejomau [2010-02-25 20:13:41]