Vous êtez certes! Et Mgr. Fellay a dit beaucoup dnas la dernière entrevue publiée le dernier 25 Avril (IL GIORNALLE) sous-dessous en anglais.
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Il Giornale, 25 April, 2003 Lefebvrist Bishop tells the Pope: "Thank you for the latest encyclical"
Interview with Mgr. Bernard Fellay: "Our negotiations with the Vatican continue. We are showing openness on our part."
Signs of dialog between the traditionalists and the Holy See. On 24th of May Cardinal Castrillon will celebrate in Rome a mass in accordance with the old rite.
Andrea Tornielli
Bernard Fellay is an affable and distinguished prelate, who resides in Menzingen, Switzerland, and often travels around the world visiting the various traditionalist communities.
Consecrated bishop at the same time as three other priests without the authorization of the Vatican, by Mgr. Lefebvre in 1988, he was excommunicated in July of that year. He is at the top of the St. Pius X Fraternity, present in various countries of the world, and which gathers the disciples of this traditionalist bishop who did not want to accept the post-conciliar reforms.
In this interview Mgr. Fellay sums up the situation of the negotiations of the Lefebvrists with the Vatican. And he expresses positive judgment on the latest encyclical of John Paul II devoted to the Eucharist.
A newspaper wrote in the last days that on the 24th of May next your reconciliation with the Holy See would be announced. Is this true?
"The news is devoid of any basis. Or rather: I am not informed of it. And as I am the superior of Fraternity, I have to conclude it is false..."
Is there any prospect for an agreement?
"The negotiations continue; they are not dead. They advance with prudence on both sides. I do not envisage, for the moment, the possibility of an immediate agreement. We need a slow process. But we have confidence in God, Who can change the plans of men. We believe in the Church; we believe in the Holy Ghost, Who can make what is not foreseeable today happen."
Did you see the encyclical of John Paul II on the Eucharist?
"Yes."
What is your judgment?
"I am much delighted by the fact that in this document essential truths on the Eucharist are confirmed, which are often put into question today.
My judgment is very positive; it was a necessary encyclical. It reaffirmed the sacrificial value of the mass, even if I note it lacks some clarification that would have been definitive, like for example specifying that the sacrifice of the mass is offered in reparation of our sins. In any event, I repeat, my judgment is positive: let us hope that it will be followed in an efficacious and full manner."
On the 24th of May Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos will celebrate a mass in the Roman basilica of Saint Mary Major according to the old rite.
How did you receive the news?
"It is also a positive signal: the Holy See shows goodwill toward us.
This celebration should signify that saying the mass according to the Tridentine rite does not constitute a problem. They are encouraging signs, and they are necessary for diminishing the oppositions of the progressives against the Mass of Saint Pius V."
You have continued to follow the preconciliar rite. Do you consider that the new mass would be invalid?
"No. We always said that the Mass of Paul VI is valid if the rules envisaged in the missal are respected. We must unfortunately say that on many occasions these rules are not respected, and in such case it may reach to a point of invalidity. I will give you an example:
If, for the consecration, a priest uses, instead of the wheaten host, a host made of rice or a biscuit, it makes the mass invalid. There are many abuses all over the world. In any event we never said that the mass of Paul VI was invalid and even less defined it as 'heretical.' However, we consider it harmful and dangerous for the faith, because it does not express clearly all that should be said in the mass."
Is it true that you put conditions for reaching a reconciliation with the Vatican?
"This is not the place to speak about conditions. We consider them as stages necessary for proceeding with the dialog and the negotiation. We are asking for a declaration that affirms that the old rite has never been abrogated. And we are asking that the decree of excommunication promulgated after the episcopal consecrations made by Mgr. Lefebvre in 1988 be annulled."
Excuse me, but the excommunication will be withdrawn at the time when the agreement is reached...
"We believe it should be done before. We take the example of what the Pope wrote in the encyclical on the ecumenism UT UNUM SINT, published in 1995. In this text the Pope recalls that his predecessor Paul VI revoked the excommunications of the past by 'renewing the dialog of charity with the Churches in communion with the patriarch of Constantinople.' We would like the same criterion used toward the orthodox to be applied to us."
To declare the old preconciliar rite has never been abolished, does it mean liberalization of the use of the old missal?
"One can draw this conclusion. We ask that prohibition be removed, which we consider unjust, against using the hundreds-of-years-old rite of the Church that has never been abolished. Cardinal Alfons Stickler revealed that in 1986 the Pope had created a commission of nine cardinals to ask them to establish whether the mass of Saint Pius V had been abrogated or not.
Eight cardinals out of nine answered that it had never been abrogated. We are therefore not the only ones to hold it!"
According to you, does the Pope want to cure the wound opened with the mini-schism of 1988?
"I am convinced that the Holy Father, for whom we continue to pray in each one of our celebrations, sincerely wants to reach an agreement. We desire that it would be an honest agreement, without possibility of mutual misunderstanding, by agreeing well on the meaning of the words.
And it is precisely for this that we consider it necessary to go through the stages that I mentioned to you."
Are you aware of the fact that within the Roman Curia and the episcopates of certain countries there are prelates absolutely opposed to your return to the full communion with Rome?
"I am well aware of it. For us what is decisive is to see in Rome the continuity in the promotion of the faith of all time, which the Church always did. The encyclical on the Eucharist is an example of that."
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